Right. But bare {lo/le crino} doesn't work either, because of salience. Hence the odd place structure of {sisku}.
Sent from my iPad As I said in response to the remark you quoted, indefiniteness doesn't fix searching, because you need a scope around the quantifier that you don't have without an abstractor. {mi sisku da poi crino} is "There exists a green thing for which I am searching", which means that "within the searching" if you will there is a definite green thing.
mi'e la latro'a mu'o On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 12:08 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
Well, for indefiniteness you can (and should) use variable rather than {lo, le} both of which involve saliency (external and internal), which is precisely something definite, relatively speaking.
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] searching
Look at the "any" discussion, as it's the same idea. {lo crino} can very well have only one referent, even if there are many green things in the UD. It shouldn't have only one referent, if the distinction matters to you as the speaker; that's (part of?) what {le} is for. But it can anyway. This means you can't say "I'm looking for a green thing" and be absolutely certain that your listener knows you don't care which one (without a separate bridi).
mi'e la latro'a mu'o On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 7:44 AM, v4hn <me@v4hn.de> wrote:
On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 02:10:28AM -0500, Ian Johnson wrote:
> Because {lo crino} can very well mean "that blade of grass over there".
What's the problem here? If you're just looking for something green
and your universe of discourse includes blades of grass, then this is
perfectly valid.
> It's not specific either way, and unlike with definiteness there isn't a
> way to add quantifiers or anything to make it so.
I don't get the rest.. If you are looking for a green shirt
and your UD includes more things than shirts, you can always say
{mi sisku lo crino creka}
v4hn
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