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Re: [lojban] What is the source of gismu *definitions*?
la gleki wrote:
jbovlaste is fine. The main problem with e.g. computer terminology is
that there should be one style while creating those terms.
Why?
There are no stylistic rules for Lojban.
if e.g. "log in" is {co'a se jaspu} and "log out" {co'u pilno lo jaspu}
then there is something wrong.
not necessarily.
It merely means that whoever conceived the two words/expressions (which
may or may not have been the same person) did not happen to conceive of
their relationship in the systematic dichotomy that is implied by those
two English phrases.
I note that alternative English phrases "log on" and "log off" are also
used, and I have no doubt that there are people who "log in" and "log
off", while still others "gain access" and "log off".
jbovlaste will turn into a mess.
Language semantics is messy, in this sense, so we would expect any
dictionary to be a mess.
When we decide on the only style for most computer terms then
... people will ignore that style.
In particular, >I< will ignore that style. One of the few things I
still actively do with Lojban is to think of alternative ways to say
things, not seeking the ONE TRUE WAY, but simply a different way.
And there is no plan for byfy to decide stylistics, and no one else has
the authority to decide anything about the language design, so "we" will
not decide on "the only style".
It was never intended that there be only one formally approved term for
a given semantic concept. If technical people in one field or project
want to pragmatically restrict themselves to a jargon subset of the
language vocabulary for purposes of rigor, that is their choice, but the
rest of us will not be so-limited.
we'll add themand any spreadsheet temporary lists will be removed.
I have no idea how the concept "spreadsheet temporary lists" fits jbovlaste.
ANYONE can add words to jbovlaste, so far as I know. And they need not
follow any particular style.
Note that the wiki has plenty of pages with proposals for such terms
(not only computer terms).
Nobody developed them.
??? Pages don't just appear out of thin cyberspace. Someone had to
write them.
And still nobody complained that those pages existed.
I am sure that someone somewhere has complained about them. EVERYTHING
gets complained about at some point. zo'o
But I have no problem with them.
If there is really strong rejection of spreadsheet lists and nobody
gonna add such terms into jbovlaste (I really don't know how
I don't know how to use jbovlaste either, or any other online Lojban
tool. I don't think in terms of online tools, and forever procrastinate
on learning to use them. (If I used a cell phone, which I don't, I
likely wouldn't use apps either).
But those who want to add to that particular dictionary need to learn
how to do so. If they don't, then their words might not get added.
then I'll finish the list myself anyway and
present it just here in mriste.If still nobody is interested then i'll
just start using it myself without asking anyone to check the list.
That is perfectly acceptable, and indeed somewhat preferable for jargon.
Lists of jargon will always be specific to a particular field or
application, and won't be understood/used correctly by those not
involved in that field or application. But of the words are in
jbovlaste, people will presume that they are usable. And they likely
won't use them with the semantic precision that a jargonist would expect.
Even more likely, slightly different fields might use the same jargon
word with slightly different semantic intent. I suspect that the
definitions of specific computer jargon has somewhat different meaning
to a Javascript programmer than to someone like me who last
significantly programmed in TurboPascal some 15-20 years ago (I've done
a couple of short macros in Excel since then, but no real programming).
lojbab
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Bob LeChevalier lojbab@lojban.org www.lojban.org
President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc.
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