Re: [lojban] Re: [lojban-beginners] Place structure "types"

[John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>]

I can't remember the names (even as vaguely as I remember Richard's) of Hans Kamp's stuff, but it would be a reliable place to go.  The unreliable tends to be those that say that there are no opaque contexts "really" or try to deal with them without using alternate worlds or senses or their equivalents.  So the standard stuff either sets up a belief-world which differs from the starting UD at least by having a non-null extension for "unicorn" or the whole thing is about the sense of "unicorn" and not about unicorns at all.  Details of how that all works out and what the relation between the two approaches is vary from group to group, but the basic rules noted always apply. 

Incidentally, a {lo/su'o pavyseljirna} in a {du'u} clause would never add unicorns to the starting UD (argument from the Stoics at least, if not earlier).

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From: v4hn <me@v4hn.de>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: [lojban-beginners] Place structure "types"

On Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 04:26:27PM -0800, John E Clifford wrote:
> By the way, there are several papers in the collected works of Richard Montague
> ("Formal Philosophy"?) that deal at least in passing with questions bout what
> happens in propositions and other opaque contexts (beyond the basic no-nos of
> quantifying in and interchange of identicals)

"various" is not really the answer I was hoping for.
I'm partly familiar with Montague's work. "in passing" is not really good
enough here. I was more looking for something which explicitly deals with UDs
(maybe in the field of Discourse Representation Theory?)

> and also various follow-ups (carefully avoiding the misguided) the Frege's original papers.

With this description you've either included about the whole of formal semantics
or restricted it to "none" with the parenthesis. At least some might say the latter {.u'i}


mi'e la .van. mu'o

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