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[lojban] Re: what {me lo broda ku} means and why not allow {selbri NOI}





On Sunday, March 24, 2013 2:36:00 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:
In http://www.lojban.org/tiki/zasni+gerna+cenba+vreji xorxes proposes allowing {broda NOI}.
pe'i it makes no sense and shouldn't be allowed.

{do sanga} = You sing, you're a singer
{*do sanga noi stati} = *You sing that talented (???)

However,
{do me lo sanga noi stati} = You are a singer who is talented
makes perfect sense.

brivla work like verbs.
brivla converted into sumti work like nouns.
{me lo broda ku} work like "to be + noun".

I wish someone posted here other grammatical drawbacks of allowing selbri NOI


Well, if some people incorrectly use  NOI in the form of selbri NOI the goal is to teach them correct lojban.
As we never attach ",which/ who / that" to verbs we shouldn't do that in Lojban.
It's all the problem of teaching grammatically correct speech.

However, "You sing, which I didn't know" just implies that {lo nu ...} in the beginning was dropped. But NOI  states that there is a terminator of that {lo nu}.
The can only allow dropping articles when it doesn't lead to ambiguity like
{broda cu brode} definitely means {lo broda ku brode} and
{do sanga noi mi na pu djuno} means {co'e lo du'u do sanga ku noi mi na pu djuno ke'a}.

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