[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]

Re: [lojban] for Pierre: puffins



On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:00:44 AM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote:
On Tuesday, April 09, 2013 09:48:49 John E Clifford wrote:
> Someone elsewhere asked about puffins in various conlangs.  Lojban doesn't
> have 'em at the moment, but I volunteered cpifratercula or cipnyfratercula,
> subject to getting the phonotactics right.  Corrections and improvements
> please. (little brothers of the Great Auk or some religious order with
> similar cloaks, though clearly not Franciscans?)

Type 3: cipnrfraterkula.
Type 4: fraterkula.
"cpifraterkula" is not a type-3 but a type-4; type 4 consists of a rafsi
ending in a consonant, an interfix r/n/l, and a foreign part beginning in a
consonant. That's from the scientific name, which means "small (female)
brother" (see http://curioustaxonomy.net/etym/transl.html). I've been out
looking at trucks today and just saw the email and haven't looked for names in
other languages.

On Tuesday, April 09, 2013 13:51:51 John E Clifford wrote:
> c/k is an aesthetic choice here, the one for sound (though c is no more
> stably /k/ in Late Latin than in other languages) one for look (which is
> stable).

"c" before "u" either stayed /k/ or became /g/ in all Romance languages as far
as I know offhand. It's before "e" and "i" that it turned into /kj/, then
/tsj/, then various sounds including /tʃ/. Also "c" before "a" sometimes
became /ʃ/ in French.

Well, Clifford was clear in what he said imo.
Either we use pronunciation of latin words or their form.
Of course {fratercula}  is weird. But at least we know how this word is written in Latin.
This method doesnt solve all the problems here though.

How to transliterate Latin "y"? As {i}? Then we lose something again.

Anyway I dont believe that the existence of "fratercula" in Latin allows the existence of "fraterkula".
"k" was used in Classic Latin only for words borrowed from Greek sei mi morji.



Pierre
--
li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.