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Re: [lojban] Re: No gismu for Difference





On Saturday, April 6, 2013 4:27:08 AM UTC+4, Latro wrote:
Sorry to add, but I think this problem of whether truth-functionally equivalent selbri whose connotation seems significantly different is an important one, and one we should probably try and formulate a general response to. Having some brivla with specialized connotation (dilcu vs. selpilji, mu'a) and not others feels rather sloppy.

It bothers me that if there is a word WITH connotation there might be NO  words WITHOUT such connotation. For me {vecnu} doesnt have such connotation that's why {se vecnu} both means "sold" and "bought". However, in the case of  {difro} we implicitly state that it differs from {selsumji}. And my problem is that there is no such vague word that would be a generalisation of this concept.



On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Ian Johnson <blindb...@gmail.com> wrote:
Does that also mean that we need two separate gismu for "to buy" and "to sell"?
This is a good question. I considered the possibility of wanting to have this since "sell" is somewhat of an agentive verb in English (sure, a grocery store selling something isn't particularly agentive, but a car salesman selling something is), which if {te vecnu} is really "buy" rather than "is sold" isn't reflected in the semantics of {vecnu}.

At any rate, this is a marked inconsistency either way; if {selsumji} is adequate for subtraction then {selpilji} is adequate for division.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o


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