Re: [lojban] Re: Baby Words: "you're right" and orders.

[la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>]

On Monday, April 29, 2013 11:27:41 PM UTC+4, .arpis. wrote:

In particular, is there a difference between (1) and (2), and if so, what is it?

(1) .i .e'o do mi sidju
    "Please help me."

(2) .i .e'o ko mi sidju
    "Please help me.

Yes, there is a difference, but it's the sort that probably won't matter outside of poetry or literary analysis. As you say, the latter is more direct.

To take another example, contrast {.e'o ko cliva} with {.e'o do cliva}: in the latter, I might be more aware of (and maybe more interested in) the possibility that a bouncer would throw you out.

if we assume that UI = sei ke'a broda se'u 

and then

.i brode sei ke'a broda se'u ~= lo nu brode cu broda

then

e'o do cliva ~= mi cpedu lo nu do cliva

ko cliva = do ko'oi cliva ~= mi [imperatively/hortatively say ] lo nu ba'e do cliva

e'o ko cliva = e'o do ko'oi cliva ~= mi cpedu lo nu do cliva ije mi [imperatively/hortatively say ] lo nu ba'e do cliva

MorphemAddict: Imperative refers to a grammatical construct which carries the pragmatics that the listener do something; command refers to any statement that has such pragmatics and is also given from a (presumed) position of power.

"Close the window." is an imperative but may or may not be a command; "Please close the window." is an imperative but probably not a command; "You'd better close the window now!" is a command but not an imperative.

As many mix hortatives and imperatives then it's probably beter to call {ko'oi} a generalised version of imperatives and hortatives as it is hinted in the notes to this word.

 

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mu'o mi'e .arpis.

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