On Thursday, May 2, 2013 9:07:29 PM UTC+4, lojbab wrote:
selpa'i wrote:
> The title basically says it all. I would like to have a gismu for
> "noodle", as noodles are everywhere! Please don't suggest {grusko};
> noodles come in all shapes and needn't be made from {gurni}.
>
> What do you call a fake noodle?
I've stayed out of this thread hoping that the obvious question would be
raised:
Can you or someone give a definition of a "noodle", making it clear what
is and is not to be considered?
Here is what mw.com has
> Definition of NOODLE
> : a food paste made usually with egg and shaped typically in ribbon form
which definition so obviously reflects a Lojban tanru, that it is
impossible to see it as a language "primitive" (the word JCB used for
"gismu", which I abandoned because of its polysemy). 13 words with 4
gismu among them.
djapexsri, though probably pexsri would be sufficient, and potentially
broadly productive even outside of the food realm; Lojban words do not
need to be 100% synonymous with English ones, and the few examples I can
imagine for a non-food being described as pexsri would probably be just
as clear as a tanru based on "noodle", and there likewise should be
little confusion with paste-like ribbons that are not "pasta" in English
(cake decorations, maybe?). One could mention the egg as well, but it
seems even less necessary.
I note in passing that ALL of the variant meanings for "noodle" that are
listed in mw.com have NOTHING to do with this base meaning, or even any
of those 4 gismu. In English, "noodle" is not a productive root.
And for those who bother to look up the word "pasta", you will find that
it means precisely "pesxu", though "djapesxu" would more probably
reflect its normal usage, as described in the encyclopediac definition.
(I'll note in passing that we actually did consider the question of
"pasta" when creating the gismu list, with pesxu being determined as the
solution. Indeed, pasta should probably have been added to the set of
synonyms in the definition.)
ra'u mi kanpe lo nu lo pesxu ka'e cidja po'onai vau je'u peiru'e
well, i guess pesxu can be not only a food?
lojbab
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