Re: [lojban] Time-(non)local sumti (was: Mixing tenses, on the beginners list)

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Subject: Re: [lojban] Time-(non)local sumti (was: Mixing tenses, on the beginners list)

From: John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>

Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 18:48:07 -0700 (PDT)

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By context, as it says. Remember, we are not talking about the thing, but about how we talk about the thing. I am what I am, but it is sometimes useful to talk about temporally delimited chunks of me (as it were, maybe clusters) and sometimes as the perduring me throughout time. The nice thing about 'lo' is that it covers all options, down to temporo-spatial minute bits of me, and selects the relevant one.

From: Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2013 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Time-(non)local sumti (was: Mixing tenses, on the beginners list)

On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 9:32 AM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:

Think of 'mi' as in the same class as 'lo' phrases, "the salient ...". Otherwise you will get into all manner of paradoxes (as old as philosophy, for the most part) of no practical value.

Even claiming that doing so makes sense is a rather fundamental philosophical claim, namely that things like people can even be understood as being time-local in the first place. Still, this begs the question of what it means to be, say, {lo ca me mi ku}. If {mi} can be time-nonlocal in some contexts and time-local in others, then is {lo ca me mi ku} local or nonlocal? If this depends on context, how does one indicate that it is one or the other?

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

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