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Re: [lojban] 'good or simple' vs 'good, or simple'

The problem is, of course, that you're trying to do something explicitly in Lojban that is done /implicitly/ in the English phrase "Would you like coffee or tea?" {.i do djica tu'a loi ckafi ji loi tcati}

It should be noted that even in the English question, "both" and "neither" are still acceptable -though uncommon- answers. There is nothing about the English question that forbids a choice of "both" or "neither", it is merely social customs that makes such answers verboten.

This very thing is talked about in the logical connectives section of the CLL.

http://dag.github.io/cll/14/13/

It's also been discussed quite a bit in the tiki:

http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Do+you+want+coffee+or+tea%3F

Basically, the gist is, if you want someone to choose amongst a set of mutually exclusive items, and you're using OR, you're asking the wrong question.

What you should be saying in such situations is more akin to: "Choose one of: coffee, tea"

.i.e'u cuxna lo pamei lo ckafi .e lo tcati



On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 6:47 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm not sure this is the same thing, but how does one distinguish in Lojban between the ORs in "Coffee, or tea?", i.e., a choice between alternatives, vs. the logical OR with truth values. 

stevo


On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
  I'm not quite sure what you mean by a "non-logical 'or'"?
 --gejyspa


On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 6:53 AM, iesk <pa.fae@gmx.de> wrote:
ni'o la selpa'i ku cusku di'e
>ni'o ie lo tokpona cu xamgu gi'a sampu

ni'o sei banbau se'u zo gi'a logji valsi  .i mi te smuni lodo jufra la'e zoi. aficalanguidjavlajbanistan. Toki Pona is good or simple .aficalanguidjavlajbanistan. mu'a  .i ti'e lo si'o xamgu keiku ju'e lo si'o sampu keiku se sidbo pa da lo selbau be lo tokpona sei dei jai nandu  .i mi kucli .ibo da'i ma xe fanva zoi. gic. Toki Pona is good, or simple .gic. sei me'o slaka bu cu se jundi .i va'i za'e friti su'ore lo valsi fi'o se tavla fi lo mintu

{gi'a} is a logical connector. In the context of Selpa'i's sentence, a non-logical 'or' could also be expected. Phrasing things differently to encircle the intended meaning. How to do that in Lojban?

Also, my use of {mintu} is nonsense, I fear (mintu ma?).

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