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> Herein is the crux. What is Lojban? It is surely not the language off
> CLL or much like it;
Surely not.
> it is not that modified by xorlo (any of the dozen
> or so xorlos, not counting those by xorxes himself).
xorlo is but a tiny fraction of what sets apart CLL-Lojban from Now-Lojban.
> Honesty would have
> it extracted from all the text around, assuming that could be collected,
> but that is probably not a consistent corpus and certainly would not
> meet the requirements of being a loglang. Even the corpus of one
> Lojbanist is somewhat iffy. You have two choices: a new
> presecriptivism, which decides all issues and lays down the law in a
> tight program, (OK, three -- we could go back to CLL) or a free-for-all
> building to a new consensus and eventual formalization.
In case of choice number 1, who
would decide all the issues and lay down the law?
> (In either case, {PA lo broda} is not the same as {PA broda}.)
Right. I wouldn't call them equivalent, since obviously {PA lo broda} is quantification over the referent(s) of {lo broda}, while {PA broda} never goes through that step. It just happens that there are cases where it makes no difference which one you use. When it does make a difference, it is often an "anaphoric" use of {lo broda}, sometimes in a malgli way (when the speaker unconsciously wants to do what {le} actually does). The difference between the two expressions (or the lack thereof) hinges to some degree at least on how {lo broda} is conceptualized; is it a group of indeterminate number or is it {lo xo na'i broda} (that is, the concept of number just doesn't apply to it until you explicitly specify number using an inner quantifier) ?.
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