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Re: [lojban] A Short Story


On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 11:03 AM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:
 
I'd gloss kansa as "mitmachen"/"begleiten" in German, which mean "to accompany, to go along with". And {kansi'u} would still give us a symmetric {kansa}.

OK, let's assume that there is an asymmetry, analogous to one we might posit between the x2 and x3 of sumji. lo kansi'u is like lo sumji, lo kansa is like lo te sumji and lo se kansa is like lo se sumji. x2 and x3 of jmina also seem to have this asymmetry, although "jmina" is given two different definitions, one in which x2 is added to x3 and the other in which x2 is augmented by x3. "mi jmina lo silna lo cidja" or "mi jmina lo cidja lo silna"? 

By the above logic, {nonkansa} would mean "accompanying no one", "going along with no one", somewhat in the sense of "withholding support". I'm not sure what a concrete usage example could be though, but it feels like there should be a use for it. (if not, then the sel- could be scrapped from the lujvo). Maybe:

da'i mi kansa no da lo nu/ka klama lo kensa
"I wouldn't accompany anyone to outer space."

You choose to read it as "I wouldn't accompany anyone in *their* journey to outer space", but couldn't it also just as well be read as "I wouldn't be accompanying anyone in *my* journey to outer space"? 

Even if there is an asymmetry in kansa, I think both "nonselkansa" and "nonkansa" should still mean "alone". In one case, alone by virtue of not being joined by anyone else, in the other case by virtue of not joining anyone else. If zero is added to a quantity or if that quantity is added to zero, the result is still the same, even if it is reached by different processes. 

The full definition in any case requires more that "be no da":

nonkansa: ko'a kansa no da ko'e .ije ko'a ckaji ko'e
nonselkansa: ko'a se kansa no da ko'e .ije ko'a ckaji ko'e

The second part is necessary because otherwise all we have is a negation but no affirmation that ko'a does do something alone. 

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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