la .betsemes. cu cusku di'e
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 11:21 AM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:For me, the Merge is actually even more important than the GIJA reform.This is a topic that has frustrated me to no end since the beginning. By the time of the quoted thread where Robin said the system was not broken, I had no argument to counter, yet the topic has haunted me every single time I come back to Lojban.It'd be nice to hear what others think, but my hopes aren't too high, although realistically I feel it's inevitable in the long run. Off the top of my head, I know of around 5 people who are in favor (excluding xorxes), and the current authorities all seem opposed.I've been recently thinking a lot on a fictional lojban-talking world,
I do this a lot in order to see where Lojban is or should be heading. I try to imagine it being used like a real language, and usually that shows me where the biggest holes are or where problems lie.
and the topic of naming is one I had to deal with. I concluded the system is broken for those countries where two surnames are used to name an individual. [...] Let's say "la betsemes solvor" wants to marry "la xorxes camgusmis". A child may be called "la rod solvor camgusmis", name: rod, first surname: solvor, second surname: camgusmis. That naming system is what is being used in my country. Let's say "la gleki arxokuna" [...]
(Note that la gleki == la .arxokuna, he should probably make his name change more obvious)
But what happens whether "la betsemes solvor" wants to marry "la selpa'i tsani"? Oops. What should we do with them? Do we forbid them to marry because the child's name violates the language naming rules?
You'd have to call them something like {la broda me la .betsemes. selpa'i}. It's very ugly, but because there is a way to make it work, it's not broken, just inconvenient. Or so goes the argument.
Of course "not broken" isn't the same as "cannot be improved". The Merge would mean a great simplification (in a good way) of the language.
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