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Re: [lojban] Re: cmevla as a class of brivla
la .tijlan. cu cusku di'e
On 27 May 2013 16:40, la arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com
<mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>> wrote:
> However, I'm not sure what {lo .paris.} would mean under this proposal.
>
> If cmevla as brivla are considered as names then lo .paris. = la .paris.
>
> If cmevla is a new class of verbs/content words/predicates (whatever
you call it) that's another story.
{lo .paris.} would mean the first place of {.paris.} as a selbri.
{.paris.} would have such a definition as
x1 me lo se cmene be zo .paris.
That seems good. The other option would be "x1 selcme lu CMEVLA li'u".
, and {lo} would be pulling its x1 out. It's functionally a description
sumti like {lo fraso}, not a name sumti (cmene) like {la fraso}. {lo
.paris.} and {la .paris.} would mean effectively the same, but by
different mechanisms.
Well said.
Cmevla & brivla could still be morphologically distinct, but
syntactically unified under "selbri" or "tanru-unit" (along also with
GOhA, NU sentence KEI, etc.). I'm not sure about calling it "cmevla as a
class of brivla". The key criteria of traditional brivla are:
- having a place structure
- having a consonant cluster
- ending with a vowel
If cmevla were to be a class of (a subset of) brivla, we'd have to get
rid of the second and third rules, but that would leave the door open
also to cmavo with a place structure such as {du}.
cmevla and brivla are morphological classes, they will always be
(morphologically) distinct by definition. The Merge would not be a
morphological reform, but a syntactic one.
mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
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