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Re: [lojban] Please, the best explanation of {le} vs. {lo}



If you find a Trobriand Islander trained in Nyaya-Vaisheshika metaphysics and Neo-Platonism, I suppose the Dog sense would be intelligible, otherwise, probably not. None of xorxes, &, or me has ever made it make sense.

Tenses can be used as tags and even interpreted in their normal use as such, but that does not mean -- I don't think -- that BAI, normal tags, can be used as "tenses".  I wouldn't have thought of English "so" as comparative all on its own, but merely an intensifier.  But, on the other hand, I don't know how to say this "so (oooo)" in Lojban otherwise (I was thinking of gliding on the /o/ of {ci'omle} as the reason for preferring it to {citmle}).

"Compositionality only gets one so far."  Lord, how I wish Logjammers would take that to heart.

If folks understand Dog, then they should get "the relevant chunk/avatar of Dog".


From: selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Please, the best explanation of {le} vs. {lo}

la .pycyn. cu cusku di'e
> "selbri tag"?  not CLL,

The concept (though maybe not the term) is CLL. Most occurences of tenses for example use selbri tags: {mi pu klama} has a selbri tag which (implicitly) tags {zo'e}. It means "Before zo'e, I go".

> but, that aside, what does it means: "they are
> cute (to me) (in some respect) like (something or other)"  "sorta cute?"

"Dogs are _so_ cute."

{tai} compares, like English "so". In this case, what it compares the bridi to is left up to context.

> Problem was that I couldn't easily get from "young beautiful" to "cute":
> "young" fits, "beautiful" not so much.  But then, I was never a fan of
> compositional definitions anyhow, so I'll stick with what I said.

It's not easy to find a better lujvo. Compositionality only gets one so far.

> But the explanation according to which Dog is what {lo gerku} really
> means is much more complicated (not to mention based on more implausible
> assumptions) than the perfectly straightforward one, even in its
> mathematical form.

Could be, but different people think in different ways. What seems complicated to one person might seem more intuitive to another, and vice versa.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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