Re: [lojban] Please, the best explanation of {le} vs. {lo}

["John E. Clifford" <kali9putra@yahoo.com>]

Well, my worry is about the construction, not just the particular case, since it does not seem to be resolvable in a logical way: "resembles something", "to some extent", "on some scale" -- maybe there are senses of "so" that these work for, but none of them seem to be what is intended here.  {ju} actually seems closer to the point.

While a heap of puppies are often cuter than a single one, I doubt that the mass of dogs is cute at all, even if cuteness is a frequent characteristic of dogs.

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On Jun 22, 2013, at 21:30, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:

I was never real fond of "tai broda" for "so [X]"  I understand it when people use it that way, but I don't use it.  "mutce" seems to be much more salient.  I think la'u works, though, too.  (What about ci'u?)  Or perhaps "so" is really more of a noise word in these cases, so "iu" (or whatever) is more appropriate?

  As for "dogs are so cute", I would prefer "loi" in that  construction (or possibly even lo'e or le'e).  Man, doesn't anyone use anything but "lo" anymore??

  So: "loi gerku cu .iu citmle"

            --gejyspa

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On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 9:13 PM, John E. Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:

Thanks, {la'u} "of some amount" does work better.  Still uncomfortable about the construction, adding a place but not filling it, I would have thought adverbial tanru were more apprpriate.

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On Jun 22, 2013, at 19:45, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:

> On Saturday, June 22, 2013 10:05:51 John E Clifford wrote:
>> Not sure what {tai} does here, no NP after it. (I pass over {ci'omle},
>> you're entitle to make your compounds mean whatever you want them to.)
>
> I think the correct preposition is "la'u", not "tai". "tai" is what I used in
> ".i ca'o le nu casnu tai kei", for "pendant qu'ainsi l'on délibère".
>
> On Saturday, June 22, 2013 13:18:01 Jonathan Jones wrote:
>> On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 7:06 AM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:
>>> {blabi} *is* a verb, as is every Lojban predicate.
>>
>> Selbri are *not* verbs.
>
> Cross-linguistically, verbs are words that take arguments (sumti). There is
> not, as far as I know, any natlang which has an indefinitely long sequence of
> numbered places, but all natlangs, as far as I know, and Lojban have words
> which take arguments, some of which can be tagged by an adposition. So a
> brivla is a verb.
>
> Pierre
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