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[lojban] Re: How to read out loud a written ZOI quote containing a picture?





On Sunday, July 14, 2013 3:27:39 PM UTC+4, Ilmen wrote:
Hello everybody!

I've been wondering something for a while about ZOI quotes. They exist for enabling incorporating things that aren't Lojbanic text or utterance into a Lojban sentence. For instance they ebable you inserting visual things that aren't Lojban text, such as foreign language writting or pictures (written medium), or non-Lojbanic utterances or sounds (spoken speech).

This is certainly quite useful, but it results in a break in the audio-visual isomorphism of the langage. This isn't much of a problem with foreign language quotes (provided that the reader knows the language used), phonetic transcriptions and other codings that have both a written and a spoken form; however, pictures and non-linguistics sounds (for example) are more problematic.

My questions are the followings:
• How to read out loud a written ZOI quote containing a picture?

I always thought one should use references to objects from outer world. For that we have LE.

{mi tcidu zoi gy Hello gy e lo pixra} 

• How to write down a spoken ZOI quote containing non-linguistic sounds? 

If there were a way to replace (in direct quotes/transcriptions) the content of the ZOI quote with an alternative Lojbanic description (such as a description of the picture within such a quote), this would solve this problem, but I can't think of a clean way of doing so without altering too much the sentence content (thus breaking direct quotation/transcription). For instance, {to'i} doesn't seem of much help here. :)

Any idea or comment would be greatly appreciated. ♪

mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o


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