Heya, On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 09:31:35AM -0700, Dmitriy Remselgin wrote: > On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 9:35:34 PM UTC+6, la arxokuna wrote: > > Yes, that's why we imported the content of all old pages into our new > > wiki. http://mw.lojban.org It uses the same engine as Wikipedia. > > So everything that is possible for Wikipedia is possible for Jupiter si > > Lojbanic Mediawiki (LMW, mw.lojban.org). > Well done! But wiki is good for reference materials. A newbie will be > overwhelmed if he or she tries to use wiki for learning. Yes, most of it is for reference, and no first learner material. Still, there is _a lot_ of learning material around: L4B(the more modern "Lojban for newbies" is in the making) and the wave lessons teach a lot. I for myself also count the CLL as learning material, but not everyone likes that, right.. > > It parses well http://camxes.lojban.org/?text=ti%20nanca%20li%20xa > > Parses - yep, translates - nope. Though camxes is a great step in the right > direction, cause it uses visualization. A parser and a translator are entirely different things and if you do not mean to only rant against everyones efforts, but really help, try to be more constructive. camxes is a great parser. There is no direct translator (to whatever language) because these things are inherently hard to write if you don't want to fall back to statistics (which would be really lame concerning lojban in my opinion). > > So... I assume you can help, right? > > Surely. BTW, I'm a programmer. But obviously I cannot do all this work by > myself. You could at least get started. There already were many "Let's do something great!" projects which all stagnated because nobody did the work or nobody proposed anything more precise than "let's improve stuff". > We can add interactive elements, browser applications, games, consistent > learning programs for different kinds of users, we can form translator > teams, add special features for "lojban developers" and even for BFPK if it > will countinue its work... Also we have to remove outdated resources from > main site and store them as history in the wiki, for example. Once more: first get started, _then_ write a mail looking for community feedback/help when people (and also you I presume) can see what you are aiming at. > I have a lot of ideas, and *later I will make a detailed roadmap *about this update. Great to hear that, although your entire mail reads like "I don't like the way things are, but I don't have time, and don't know how to concretely improve the situation. Maybe I'll someday get around to do something, but hopefully somebody else has enough time to do things." - Well sorry, but no, most likely not. I'm eager to read your detailed roadmap proposals together with some stubs to see what you're trying to do. v4hn
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