[lojban] Officialness, spin-off projects, dialects, communication with the outside world (was: Re: LMW reloaded (lojbo uitki))

[iesk <pa.fae@gmx.de>]

The MediaWiki ('LMW') at lojban.org seems to imply that what I thought is 'official Lojban' is outdated, and to promote a slightly different language under the provisional name of La Bangu:
– http://mw.lojban.org/index.php/Obsolete:_joiku (note the 'obsolete')
– http://mw.lojban.org/index.php/Stub:_La_Bangu
– http://mw.lojban.org/index.php/Stub:_Is_Lojban_an_auxlang ('Lojban had 6 words for "and" […]' … it does still, doesn’t it?)

So, just to get a clear picture:

What is the language promoted by the LLG ('official Lojban')?

I *think* it is http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter21.html, and the rest of CLL, superseded only by confirmed errata, and Xorlo. So, eg, {lo broda ku joi lo brode} needs the {ku}, and {mi .e do broda} is not equivalent to *{mi je do broda}.

What is the MediaWiki about?

I *thought* it was just a supposedly user-friendlier copy and continuation of the TikiWiki. So, while (as a wiki) chaotic, still (as a part of lojban.org) about (the agreed-upon, ie 'official' version of) Lojban. (By the way, I do find the MediaWiki easier to use [well, I try to ignore some of the scarier add-ons recently installed], and I am thankful to Gleki for putting so much work into it.)

If, however, the MediaWiki is about a different (version of the) language, then we should perhaps put a big sign somewhere explaining that what follows, however more brilliant than 'official Lojban' it may be, is not the same thing as the language promoted on the rest of lojban.org. Just to not confuse the casual reader. (While I have nothing against playing around with dialects, variations in grammar and such—a living language Lojban shall be—, I find it particularly confusing to call the 'prestige dialect' _obsolete_ or _outdated._)

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