Re: [lojban] Taxonomy and lojban

[Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>]

On Wednesday, October 09, 2013 09:11:23 jongausib wrote:
>    - Choose a genus
>    - genus Cordyline is a genus of plants, so {spati} would serve as a
>    stage-3 topic prefix.
>    - To shorten the word I use the short rafsi variant if possible, so we
>    get {sparkordiline}: *s1 is a tī/palm lily (genus Cordyline) of
>    species/cultivar s2*
>    - In stage-3 fu'ivla definition I give the variables name after their
>    gismu-based prefix, so here I use s (={spati}) instead of x. Maybe I
> should have used both...
>    - *Gloss word 1*: *palm lily ; *in sense:* plant (genus Cordyline)*,
> *Gloss word 2*: *tī ; *in sense:* plant (genus Cordyline)*
>    - Note that I fill  'in sense'-data. Sometimes you just don't know if
>    the natlang counterparts got some any other sense (like in the case of
>    Prunella), and anyhow it looks nice to always specify the gismu-base
> (here 'plant (genus Cordyline)').
>    - some plants of Cordyline are also trees, so to denote those species
>    specifically you could also add the word {ricrkordiline}. Definition:
> *t1is a tī/palm lily (genus Cordyline) of species/cultivar t 2*
> 
> *6) Derivates*
> 
> Next step is to see if Cordyline plants are useful for something. Not what
> I can see on wikipedia. But in case you find parts of a plant/animal/object
> useful, invent fu'ivlas for these as well, derived from the first word.
> 
> For example: vanilla orchid (genus Vanilla) = {sparvanila}  (note that you
> can't use {xrula} here since that is just an pretty irrelevant part of the
> plant), vanilla pod = {rutrvanila}, vanilla seed = {tsirvanila}, vanilla
> extract = {runtrvanila}, vanilla sugar = {satrvanila}, vanilla sauce =
> {sansrvanila}. Compare that with the stage-4 fu'ivla {varnila} - what does
> that mean?
> 
> This is also an argument why the project to systematically go through all
> genera is important: to generate a lot of new useful words, not least for
> culinary purposes;)

You can't use "spa" as the rafsi in a type-3 fu'ivla to name a plant. The 
result, if it is a valid fu'ivla, is a type-4 fu'ivla. Similarly for "tsi". If 
a gismu has no CVC rafsi, you  have to use the four-letter rafsi.

Conversely, if you attempt to make a type-4 fu'ivla and it consists of a rafsi 
ending in a consonant, the appropriate interfix, and a part beginning with a 
consonant, then it is a type-3 fu'ivla and has to be redone. There was an 
entry "mernta" for mint, but that means an American ta. The correct words are 
"spatrmenta" and "diosmo" (the latter, from Greek, cannot be entered in 
jbovlaste because of a bug in vlatai).

Pierre
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