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On Wednesday, October 09, 2013 09:11:23 jongausib wrote: - Choose a genus
- genus Cordyline is a genus of plants, so {spati} would serve as a
stage-3 topic prefix.
- To shorten the word I use the short rafsi variant if possible, so we
get {sparkordiline}: *s1 is a tī/palm lily (genus Cordyline) of
species/cultivar s2*
- In stage-3 fu'ivla definition I give the variables name after their
gismu-based prefix, so here I use s (={spati}) instead of x. Maybe I
should have used both...
- *Gloss word 1*: *palm lily ; *in sense:* plant (genus Cordyline)*,
*Gloss word 2*: *tī ; *in sense:* plant (genus Cordyline)*
- Note that I fill 'in sense'-data. Sometimes you just don't know if
the natlang counterparts got some any other sense (like in the case of
Prunella), and anyhow it looks nice to always specify the gismu-base
(here 'plant (genus Cordyline)').
- some plants of Cordyline are also trees, so to denote those species
specifically you could also add the word {ricrkordiline}. Definition:
*t1is a tī/palm lily (genus Cordyline) of species/cultivar t 2*
*6) Derivates*
Next step is to see if Cordyline plants are useful for something. Not what
I can see on wikipedia. But in case you find parts of a plant/animal/object
useful, invent fu'ivlas for these as well, derived from the first word.
For example: vanilla orchid (genus Vanilla) = {sparvanila} (note that you
can't use {xrula} here since that is just an pretty irrelevant part of the
plant), vanilla pod = {rutrvanila}, vanilla seed = {tsirvanila}, vanilla
extract = {runtrvanila}, vanilla sugar = {satrvanila}, vanilla sauce =
{sansrvanila}. Compare that with the stage-4 fu'ivla {varnila} - what does
that mean?
This is also an argument why the project to systematically go through all
genera is important: to generate a lot of new useful words, not least for
culinary purposes;)
You can't use "spa" as the rafsi in a type-3 fu'ivla to name a plant. The result, if it is a valid fu'ivla, is a type-4 fu'ivla. Similarly for "tsi". If a gismu has no CVC rafsi, you have to use the four-letter rafsi.
Crap! I forgot that restriction. I have used this construction a lot. Isn't it possible to regard words like {sparvanila} as a "stage-3 looking-type of stage-4" or something?
Or, is there any way you can rename valsi in jbovlaste, so you don't have to do completely new entries?
mu'omi'e seb Conversely, if you attempt to make a type-4 fu'ivla and it consists of a rafsi ending in a consonant, the appropriate interfix, and a part beginning with a consonant, then it is a type-3 fu'ivla and has to be redone. There was an entry "mernta" for mint, but that means an American ta. The correct words are "spatrmenta" and "diosmo" (the latter, from Greek, cannot be entered in jbovlaste because of a bug in vlatai).Pierre-- Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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