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Aw: [lojban] Default stressed vowel

> Von: "Pierre Abbat" <phma@bezitopo.org>
> Here's how I propose to determine which is the default stressed vowel (or 
> default stressed consonant, if there are no vowels) in a word (brivla or 
> cmevla; a brivla is always stressed on the default vowel):

I will respond below with my comments and my own personal pertinent proposal. 

> 1. Remove all commas.

Yes. In fact, I think the comma should be removed from the language altogether, but even now I think the comma should never make a difference.

> 2. Separate syllables, working from right to left.
>   soiombos -> so,iom,bos not soi,om,bos

I disagree with *"soi,om,bos" being a well-formed Lojban word. It contains a syllable /om/, which has no onset. In my opinion, such syllables are not valid Lojban.

The word can thus only be "so,iom,bos", which is a CV,CVC,CVC.

> 3. If the next-to-last vocalic syllable does not have 'y' as its only vowel, 
> stress it.
>   kra,tai,go -> kra,TAI,go
>   ui,liym,syn -> ui,LIYM,syn
> Else, if a syllable before that does not have 'y' as its only vowel, stress 
> it.
>   ge,jy,spa -> GE,jy,spa
> Else, if the last vocalic syllable does not have 'y' as its only vowel, stress 
> it.
>   syb,my,rin -> syb,my,RIN
> Else stress the next-to-last vocalic syllable, if any.
>   sy,myr,tyn -> sy,MYR,tyn
> Else, stress the only vocalic syllable, if any.
>   tain -> TAIN
> Else, stress the next-to-last syllable, if any.
>   cl,sn -> CL,sn
> Else, stress the only consonantal syllable.
>   r -> R

This seems good.

> 4. Place the stress on one vowel or syllabic consonant, the most prominent 
> vowel in a diphthong or triphthong.
>   kra,TAI,go -> kra,tái,go
>   TAIN -> táin
>   FUI,ste -> fuí,ste
>   spa,tr,XA,pio -> spa,tr,xá,pio

To me, diphthongs are monosyllabic, so the remark about prominent vowels is unnecessary. Triphthongs don't really exist.

{-tai-} is one syllable, and the VV in it could as well be a V, taking the stress as a whole.

{-fui-} is a CCV (or a CwV, if you accept this as a thing). The stress can only be on the vowel "i".

> Which vowel or syllabic consonant is stressed by default is independent of 
> where one puts syllable breaks. If you say "spatrxapio" with the last two 
> letters in different syllables, you still have to stress the 'a', not the 'i'. 
> Similarly, if you say "krata,igo", you stress it "kratá,igo".

Here I consider *"krata,igo" an ill-formed word, as it contains a syllable without an onset. The only valid syllabification would be kra-tai-go.
 
> In a cmevla, if the stress is not marked, it is assumed to be on the default 
> vowel; if that vowel is in a diphthong, the diphthong is stressed. If the 
> stress is somewhere else, it must be marked. I'm not sure how to indicate that 
> there is no stress.

This might be another good reason why it would be good to always mark stress on every word that carries one. The absence of any stress marker would then indicate a stress-less word. I don't see another way, either.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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