Re: [lojban] Re: Problems with gismu

[Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>]

On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 7:08 AM, lorxus <coronacoreanici@gmail.com> wrote:

If that were so, there should be absolutely no difference between "come towards me" and "go towards me".

In Lojban, there isn't.

"One goes to a destination."

{zo'e klama lo se klama}

"On come from an origin."

{zo'e klama fi lo te klama}

 

On Saturday, December 28, 2013 5:06:50 AM UTC-5, stevo wrote:

How can "come" and "go" be distinguished by aspects? Don't the aspects apply to each one equally? "Come" is 'toward the speaker', "go" is more general, but if contrasted with "come", it means 'away from the speaker'. 

The distinction in Lojban is moot, since the destination (x2) and origin (x3) allow sidestepping the whole "come/go" dichotomy. 

stevo

On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 2:24 AM, la arxokuna <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, December 20, 2013 6:31:55 PM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote:

(And for that matter, how do you even
> mark deixis (go/come distinction) in Lojban, anyway?)

With the deixis words ti, ta, or tu in x2 or x3. The go/come distinction is
not universal; Hebrew instead contrasts enter/exit (ba'/tse').

"Come"/"go" can probably be separated with aspects.

"come" is rather mo'u klama or co'i klama.

"go" is ca'o klama

although of course we can have "coming" as ca'o co'i klama

However, one needs to understand the meaning behind what's being said.

"Don't translate words but meaning!" as said in one tutorial in the wiki.

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