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Not quite, though. We use KCl for salt, too, sometimes.
But more or less! I also have somewhat of a problem with the inconsistency of forced to'e use: we have zunle/pritu, nenri/bartu, stali/cliva, tordu/clani, hell, even blanu/narju and glare/lenku. But we're forced to use to'e constructions for words like arrive, discard, and old. (And for that matter, how do you even mark deixis (go/come distinction) in Lojban, anyway?)
On Friday, December 20, 2013 12:54:58 AM UTC-5, la arxokuna wrote:I think I have to agree with lorxus. The term {silna} is underdocumented.In chemical sense different salts can elicit all five basic tastes, e.g., salty (sodium chloride), sweet (lead diacetate, which will cause lead poisoning if ingested), sour (potassium bitartrate), bitter (magnesium sulfate), and umami or savory (monosodium glutamate). [1]So I suggest that {silna} is reserved for NaCl and for salts in general we choose another term.On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:54 AM, MorphemeAddict <lyt...@gmail.com> wrote:AFAIK, LoCCan isn't currently in the works (but note that recent engelang project). OTOH, I think it's inevitable. Some people simply want to improve whatever they encounter, not accepting that 'good enough' is good enough.stevoOn Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 5:44 AM, lorxus <coronac...@gmail.com> wrote:
I didn't know that loCCan was a thing that was actually going to occur; I had assumed it was entirely theoretical. In that case, I'd prefer conservation of the current language with maybe a few changes to some particularly bad gismu, and definitely a few new gismu, such as the ones I named before, (By the way, other things produce a salty taste than table salt. How would you say "The blood is salty" in Lojban? My best guess is {lei ciblu cu vu'ismimlu loi silna}.) and then to bring these lessons more completely into loCCan. (which will hopefully be the fantastic perfect logical language and everyone will be impressed and happy forever zo'ocu'i)
On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 4:22:51 AM UTC-5, lorxus wrote:coi ro do
It seems like for a language that prides itself on regularity, ease of learning and use, and logic, Lojban sure has weird and incomplete gismu.
A given gismu can have anywhere from 1 to 5 places of varying types, some of them a sign of gismu bloat, and there are even a few extremely obvious gismu with clear counterparts are excluded. My proposals: first, make all gismu be exactly 3 places long, with the first an agent, the second a patient, and the third a beneficiary - loosely. For gismu like {blanu}, we might have "x1 is blue of shade x2 to observer x3", or something like that; {zdani} might be "x1 is a house for x2 owned by x3".
Additionally, we would have a few 1-place gismu to collect all the gismu bloat - things like "x1 is a standard for x2 (ka?) used by x3", "x1 is an epistemology for truths about x2 (du'u) used by x3", or "x1 is a condition/mitigating factor/modifier on event x2 (nu?) affecting x3".
As for blatantly missing gismu: why is there no word for salty, but words for sweet, bitter, sour, and spicy? (bonus points for whoever decided to make a lujvo for spicy meaning pain-flavored) Why don't we have gismu for arrive, old, discard, follow (because I assume that jersi does not have this sense), or appear? Why not for otter, or carrot, or dolphin, or any passerine bird?
If I am overly inexperienced to talk about this, or there are good reasons for not making one of the few irregular and irritating points of a beautiful language reflect the rest of it, please tell me so.
re'isai mi'e lorxus
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