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[lojban] Re: [bpfk] HISTORIAN/general discussion: po (GOI) and sumtcita




On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
(replies to the main list please)

So it turns out that GOI (goi, ne, no'u, pe, po, po'e, po'u) can
take sumtcita.  In
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK%20Section:%20Subordinators , I
asserted that for pe and ne (and presumably po, athough I didn't say
that) this means "sumtcita applies to the relevant sumti", which is
*HUGELY* useful; using "le broda po fa'a le brodi" in this sense
comes up *every day* with the jbocifnu, usually in the form of
"don't pee on the X" :).

So this is a thing in the language that literally *does not appear*,
even in brief reference, in the CLL.

It does appear, but it's in chapter 9, not chapter 8, because in chapter 8 tags haven't been introduced yet:

http://dag.github.io/cll/9/10/
 

My questions are:


0.  Can someone who has the old official parse running confirm that
this works there too and isn't some knid of weird regression?

I don't have the old official parser, but I can confirm that it works. This is the relevant part of the EBNF:

 relative-clause122 =
GOI # term /GEhU#/
| NOI # subsentence /KUhO#/


1.  Does anyone know, historically, why this works?

2.  What should this mean with each member of GOI?  "With X it's
meaningless don't do that" is a reasonable response; "goi" is an
obvious target there.


Yes, with goi it's not very meaningful. For ne/pe, given the tag in "fi'o broda" form, I would say it means something like this:

ne/pe fi'o broda ko'a = noi/poi ko'a broda do'e ke'a

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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