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Re: [lojban] Individuals and xorlo
la .guskant. cu cusku di'e
Le vendredi 7 février 2014 20:56:57 UTC+9, selpa'i a écrit :
Note that I said "is an individual or an individual-collection". That
is, {lo broda} can refer to one individual or to multiple individuals,
but we are always dealing in terms of individuals. It doesn't mean that
{lo broda} must be singular, it only means that whether or not it is
plural, the only referents it has are individuals.
OK, now I understand what you meant.
However, I don't agree to calling {lo broda} "an individual" or "a
collection of individual" for two reasons.
1. There is no guarantee that "something in a domain of plural variable,
saying nothing about collectivity/distributivity (SDPV)" is always "an
individual" or "a collection of individual".
What else is a possible referent? Can you name anything that isn't an
individual (or more than one individual)? Are we using different senses
of the word?
An individual is only a
special case of SDPV. Lojban should not force a speaker to have an
individual of {lo sidbo}, for example, in the universe of discourse.
I don't understand this point.
Regarding SDPV as "an individual" or "a collection of individual" is
atomism, and should not be forced by the language.
I'm not sure what is being forced here. I cannot think of anything that
is in the DPV that is not an individual.
2. Calling {lo broda} "an individual" or "a collection of individual"
may let a beginner think of set theory. In order to make clear that the
concept of SDPV is completely different from that of a set, such a risk
should be avoided.
Does "collection" really remind you of set-theory? That's certainly not
the direction I was going for with the term. Maybe having no term at all
is better. We could just go back to saying "one or more individuals".
mi'e la selpa'i mu'o
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