Re: [lojban] Translating the Bible

[Sebastian <seb@lojban.se>]

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> 30 mar 2014 kl. 01:14 skrev Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>:
> 
> I think it's more important to dive in and start translating, rather than 
> argue about philosophy of translation. That said, here's a passage that 
> presents a problem:
> 
> This morning, the verse (related somehow to the sermon) was Judges 12:6. The 
> preacher is a native speaker of Spanish, which does not have the phoneme /ʃ/ 
> (though Old Spanish did). Both the NVI and the RV have "shibolet/sibolet". The 
> LXX (Greek doesn't have /ʃ/ either) says "Και ειπαν αυτω «Ειπον δη σταχυς» και 
> ου κατευθυνε του λαλησαι ουτως" (And they said to him, "So say stalk", and he 
> was not correct in speaking thus). ("Shibboleth" is Hebrew for a grain stalk 
> and also occurs in the dream of seven big ears and seven scrawny ears.) How 
> should we render it in Lojban, which does have /ʃ/?
> 
> .i lo gliadi goi ko'e cu ga'orgau lo grestu be la .iordan. fo lo fraimi goi 
> fo'a .i lo fraimi cliva cu cusku lu .e'o mi pagre li'u .i ko'e retsku lu xu do 
> fraimi li'u .i fo'a dafsku lu nago'i li'u .i ko'e mi'esku lu ko
> cusku zo stani 
I would have translated it as:
"[...] lu ko cusku zo'oi cibolet [...]"

The important thing here is the pronunciation of a certain word to test their cultural membership. The meaning of the word doesn't really matter in this context. Or you could just add a footnote with an explanation.

> li'u .i fo'a naldra bacru cusku zo ctani .isemu'ibo ko'e catra fo'a ba'e bu'u 
> lo grestu be la .iordan.
> 
> mu'omi'e .pier.
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