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Re: [lojban] jbovlaste, vlatai, camxes and morphology


On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Riley Martinez-Lynch <shunpiker@gmail.com> wrote:
  • camxes parses {y} as "initialSpaces", but it is considered a cmavo in jbovlaste.

More generally, it will be parsed as a space not just initially, i.e. not as a word. The reason we did this was so that it would not, for example, be quoted with "zo", so that you are allowed to hesitate between "zo" and the word you want to quote.
  • camxes doesn't parse {bu} compounds like {denpa bu} as cmavo

"denpa bu" is considered two words, not one cmavo. It can't be quoted with single-word quoter "zo". "zo denpa bu" is the quoted word "denpa" converted into a lerfu with "bu". 
 
  • {ybu} is a "cmavo cluster" in jbovlaste but a single cmavo per camxes

Yes, camxes considers this one a single word, Since "y" itself is not considered a word, it is not something that "bu" can attach to, and so in order to maintain "ybu" as a lerfu we had to make it a sui generis word. It can't be "y bu" because then "y" is just hesitation and "bu" will attach to whatever precedes it. It can be quoted with "zo". 
  • {aierne} is a fu'ivla in jbovlaste but a "cmavo + fu'ivla" per camxes
Yes, camxes considers i/u in iV uV to be semi-consonants and does not require a pause in front of them, so ".aierne" breaks up into two words, just as "caierne" does.

  • {selda'ergau} is a fu'ivla in jbovlaste but a lujvo per camxes 

Yes, camxes allows the -r- hyphen in front of CVV cmavo always, not just when required. This is to facilitate lujvo making, so that if you already know the lujvo "da'ergau" and you then want to make a new lujvo by adding a rafsi in front, you don't have to remember to remove the hyphen.
 

  • {zei} compounds aren't recognized as lujvo by camxes (nor in vlatai: jbovlaste has a workaround)

Right, they are not considered a single word, they can't be quoted with "zo". 
 
If you can offer verifications or corrections for any of these issues, please respond here or add comments to the issues in github.

I'd also like to know if there's consensus on which is more correct or current: "cmavo cluster" (jbovlaste) or "compound cmavo" (CLL), or if there's a distinction between these terms.

I think they are just two names for the same thing. Perhaps "cmavo cluster" covers any string of cmavo (jbovlaste won't care if it makes any sense to cluster them together), while "compound cmavo" is probably meant to be a string of cmavo that occurs frequently in a grammatical context, but this is a distinction I just made up.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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