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Re: [lojban] jbovlaste, vlatai, camxes and morphology



Thank you for your detailed reply!
  • camxes parses {y} as "initialSpaces", but it is considered a cmavo in jbovlaste. 
  • {ybu} is a "cmavo cluster" in jbovlaste but a single cmavo per camxes
More generally, it will be parsed as a space not just initially, i.e. not as a word. The reason we did this was so that it would not, for example, be quoted with "zo", so that you are allowed to hesitate between "zo" and the word you want to quote. 
Yes, camxes considers this one a single word, Since "y" itself is not considered a word, it is not something that "bu" can attach to, and so in order to maintain "ybu" as a lerfu we had to make it a sui generis word. It can't be "y bu" because then "y" is just hesitation and "bu" will attach to whatever precedes it. It can be quoted with "zo". 

In the cases of {y} and {ybu}, it sounds like no immediate action is required. They are correctly classified in jbovlaste, and unlikely to be used in new compounds added to jbovlaste.
  • camxes doesn't parse {bu} compounds like {denpa bu} as cmavo
"denpa bu" is considered two words, not one cmavo. It can't be quoted with single-word quoter "zo". "zo denpa bu" is the quoted word "denpa" converted into a lerfu with "bu".

In this case, it seems like jbovlaste should be updated and corrected: "cmavo cluster" is not accurate. Do you have a suggestion for what to call forms like this? "bu letterals" or just "letterals"? Incidentally, this classification does not appear to come from vlatai: It doesn't recognize {denpa bu} at all. 
  • {aierne} is a fu'ivla in jbovlaste but a "cmavo + fu'ivla" per camxes
Yes, camxes considers i/u in iV uV to be semi-consonants and does not require a pause in front of them, so ".aierne" breaks up into two words, just as "caierne" does.

It sounds like the cmene and fu'ivla which are either rejected or reclassified by camxes or split into multiple words are not morphologically valid, and should be marked as invalid, or corrected so that they parse as intended, or both.
  • {zei} compounds aren't recognized as lujvo by camxes (nor in vlatai: jbovlaste has a workaround)
Right, they are not considered a single word, they can't be quoted with "zo". 

This case seems a lot like {denpa bu}: The category that jbovlaste is using is less accurate than it could be. Should these entries be reclassified as "zei lujvo"? Something else?

I'd also like to know if there's consensus on which is more correct or current: "cmavo cluster" (jbovlaste) or "compound cmavo" (CLL), or if there's a distinction between these terms.
I think they are just two names for the same thing. Perhaps "cmavo cluster" covers any string of cmavo (jbovlaste won't care if it makes any sense to cluster them together), while "compound cmavo" is probably meant to be a string of cmavo that occurs frequently in a grammatical context, but this is a distinction I just made up.

Given that jbovlaste is not intended to store nonsense clusters of cmavo, it seems like it might make sense to adopt the CLL terminology and reclassify "cmavo clusters" as "compound cmavo". Any objections?
 

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