Re: [lojban] Balningau: The Great Update

["'John E Clifford' via lojban" <lojban@googlegroups.com>]

Dang it, Bob, you just undid your bit of good!  You have again saddled BPFK with the paradoxical task of now documenting a language that ceased to exist in 1997 (if even then).  You had said its task was to work out how the presumably inadequate descriptions had been filled out, a reasonable task.  But that would not be a description of CLL Lojban  but of what that has become.  I suppose that a compromise approach would be to find out for each piece when it was possible to give an adequate account and to give that account and close that piece, ignoring what came after (except, perhaps, to note if a more complete account became available and then use that).  Or (ultimately a more useful thing) to trace all the developments, take the first adequate one as the baseline and the rest as the first proposals for revision.  In no case would this be, except accidentally, CLL Lojban (nor, if BPFK has any job to do, would one expect it to be).  

The sensible approach (and what I think was actually intended -- certainly after it became clear that the baselining was not going to be done in a short time) is to close a corpus (we do have a good searchable corpus somewhere, don't we) at some date certain (tomorrow, say or June 1, 2014 anyhow) and describe that language synchronically and diachronically, then take the synchronic as a baseline with notes on how it evolved from CLL based on the diachronic data.  This is a nice simple field linguist job, made considerably easier by all the tools in CLL and since.  All it needs is warm bodies with computers, since very little serious thought is required.

On Friday, May 23, 2014 9:33 PM, "Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:

On 5/22/2014 6:26 PM, v4hn wrote:
> I see why you consider irregular gismu "more practical" than completing the byfy.
> Yet, I politely disagree when you say that finishing
> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+Contact+Spatial
> and
> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+Termsets
> is not practical at all and tries to define a 10-year old language.

Let me correct this.  The purpose of the BPFK is to document the 17 year
old language (i.e that of 1997 when CLL was written) as a basis for
MODIFYING That baseline to reflect the current language.

lojbab

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