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Re: [lojban] Specifying sumti types: another revision of gimste is complete






2014-05-25 18:11 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>:



On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 8:45 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

The x1 of ckaji, for example, can be anything at all, it's not restricted to objects.
okay, fixed 

Are (object, event, text) all the types there are? x1 of ckaji can be of any type at all, not just those three.

What other possible types you can imagine?


The same goes for mutce, milxe, dukse, satci, and so on.

I'll try to fix that.
 
In fact any time one of the arguments is a property of another argument, there's a good chance that the type of that other argument is dictated only by the type of the ce'u in the property, This also applies to comparatives (zmadu, mleca, dunli, simsa,...) It would be easier to revise the list if you sort it by type signature rather than just alphabetically.

Sort them by x1 or show the tersumti type for each place in separate columns?
 
For comparatives, the property is a property of each of two arguments, not just the first.

 

I don't see why "lo since" couldn't go in the x1 of ckape.
Because then we dont know what is the property of {lo since} that makes it dangerous.

Surely that can't be the reason. In "lo nu kelci lo fagri cu ckape", how do you know what the property of playing with fire is that makes it dangerous? 
Inject {makau}?
 


Since "object" and "group" are different types, does that mean that you wouldn't accept a group as the x1 or x2 of ckasu?

good point. of course i would accept but for now im not sure how better to reflect that in the table.


I don't think "group" is a type in this sense at all. A few places do require plural arguments, but most (all?) places allow plural arguments. This is independent of the type of argument they expect. 

Well, "group" is used mostly for species of animal gismu. Any ideas what would be the best name for it for newbies?

 

What do you think of something like "mi ckire lo cevni lo nu mi ka'e viska"?

You skipped this one. Can't x3 of ckire be an event?

1. I don't think so. This implies x3 is independent of x2
2. Actually I don't separate events and properties. They can often be in the same places, I agree that this rule needs further clarification.
 
 
means you want it to be only for abstract cones? Would a traffic cone qualify as a konju in your sense?
that cone is characterized by two segments such that one has been revolved around the other one forming the cone. I think we are going to delve into Uqbar now since e.g. a traffic triangle is similarly not really a triangle and so on meaning that geometrical ideal shapes are impossible in this real world.

My question is more basic. You decided to move "konju" from the bolci/slanu/... class to the linji/kurfa/... class. konju is not the only word in its class, so if you think it needs to be redefined, shouldn't all other words in that class be redefined as well? Why just "konju"?

Well, okay I can ignore all non-x1 place of {konju} then but this would require discussing tools of describing defining features of all those geometric shapes in a separate thread.
  

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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