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Re: [lojban] Place structures, linkargs and a bit of FA



http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=Advanced_Place_Structure_Mangling

In short: the former. Note that this is not Word of BPFK, merely Word of Tsani (with agreement from several others, myself included).

mi'e la latro'a mu'o


On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Dan Rosén <lurifax@gmail.com> wrote:
Place structures, linkargs and a bit of FA

Dear selmriste,

It seems like it is not fully agreed upon how to figure out
where sumti goes in all cases. Consider link-args. What is
the place structure of the selbri {dunda be lo plise}?
Some (including me, before I started digging into this),
seem to think that it is:

    "x1 gives an apple to x2"

(example reference: http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=Advanced_Place_Structure_Mangling)

The CLL says: "These sumti are not part of the overall bridi place structure,
but fill the places of the brivla they are attached to, starting with x2."
(http://dag.github.io/cll/5/7/), which could be interpreted as:

    "x1 gives an apple to x3"

Good old jbofi'e takes a middle ground. Consider the sentences
    1) {mi do dunda be lo plise}, and
    2) {mi fe do dunda be lo plise}.

In 1), it assigns {do} in dunda2, and {lo plise} in dunda3,
and in 2) it is the other way around.
(https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/lojban-beginners/ho-XR6Vx2rg)

An older thread from 2002 is equally confused, where the example
sentence is {mi klama be fi le zdani le zarci}
(https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lojban/conversations/topics/18022)
Here xod (I think) claims that {le zarci} is in klama4: the {fi} inside
the linkargs affects the place structure of the outer bridi!

The BPFK section does not touch this issue.
(http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section:+Linkargs)

What does {be} do to a selbri?

ki'e mi'e .dan. mu'o

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