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Re: [lojban] vamji



    As I did in Esther http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Esther , I think the key here is to use "prali", rather than "vamji" in these type of constructions "The film is well worth seeing" ->  lo nu catlu lo skina cu te prali [lo'e prenu/do] .  Of course, in this case, it's also "lo nu lo skina cu xamgu [lo'eprenu/do]"

        --gejyspa



On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Ilmen <ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com> wrote:
coi ro do

The gismu {vamji} seems to be a promising word for translating "to be worth doing", as well as words such as "recommendable", "admirable", "unacceptable", "reprehensible/blameworthy", etc. (The -able/-ible suffix has several different meanings depending on the word it attaches to; most often it is {cumki} (-cu'i), but in the case of some words like these, {vamji} seems to be the adequate word.)

However, I can't make sense of {vamji}'s argument structure:

vamji (value)
— x1 (ni) is the equivalent value/worth of x2 [item(s) of value] to x3 for use/appreciation x4
— [also: x2 is worth x1 to x3; (for x2 person:) x2 merits (one sense), (adjective:) x2 is worthy (= selva'i for reordered places); merit reward (= nemselva'i); receive merited reward (= vamselne'u); x2 may be a specific object, a commodity (mass), an event, or a property; pedantically, for objects/commodities, this is sumti-raising from ownership of the object/commodity (= posyva'i, posyselva'i for unambiguous semantics)];
(cf. jdima, jerna, vecnu, dirba, janta, kargu, pleji; see note at jdima on cost/price/value distinction, vajni)


Corpus usage of the arguments of {vamji} —with more than one argument place filled— is scarce, and didn't help me much.

Could somebody enlighten me by providing a couple of example sentences using all of {vamji}'s argument places? (Preferably not for monetary value usages, as {jdima} is a better word for that purpose.)

For example, how would you translate «The film is well worth seeing.» in Lojban?

Thank you in advance,
mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o


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