Yes, but the reason for the term "revitalizing" (which I chose, while participating in the back-channel discussions that I think influenced the start of this thread) is, if the LLG isn't seen as doing
anything productive, that's a failure that can be remedied by the people who wish it would participating and then promoting action they see as serving the needs of the Lojban community.
If you think the LLG gets nothing done, and you think this is a problem rather than finding the organization to be irrelevant, then you can choose to be part of the solution. There's a perception by many current Lojban users that the LLG has failed; my response has been and will be to encourage those who feel that way to help it succeed again.
On Aug 24, 2014 6:07 PM, "'John E Clifford' via lojban" <
lojban@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Of course, but (the story goes) LLG does nothing to get them done but natter.
John,
the website
social networks
the dictionary
new tutorials
CLL
2.0
translating gimste into other languages
are all projects that either were mentioned on "ongoing projects" page or assumed as projects by LLG.
Those are important for me as well.
2014-08-24 22:41 GMT+04:00 'John E Clifford' via lojban
<lojban@googlegroups.com>:
In summary, people are not becoming members of LLg mainly because they don't care about becoming members. And they don't care about becoming members because LLG doesn't do anything that interests most of the people in question. LLG doesn't use Lojban, doesn't create tools for using Lojban, occasionally refers to a set of rules that hinder the development of Lojban (in some people's eyes, at least), and seems so set up tht it is not going to change any of this. Oh, and it keeps bugging people to get to work on projects that most people think are pointless at best and damaging at worst, rather than doing creative stuff of the applicants' own devisings.
On the whole, these creative Lojbanists would probably be better to continue as they are, ignore LLG -- except maybe take over the website (which should be easy, since no one else seems to care) . It would be nice, however, if someone would spontaneously choose to update the description of Lojban to account for all the changes that have actually been made, ignoring the stuff about baselines and approvals and the like.
Could you remind in two-three sentences of the procedure and requirements of applying new members?
After researching those questions a few weeks ago, I added this to the wiki:
Becoming a member
According to the
bylaws, "persons may be named members upon recommendation for membership by any member and by election by a majority of all the members of the Corporation, in person or by proxy."
The bylaws specify the following qualifications:
- competence in fields including linguistics, psychology, philosophy, logic, mathematics, computer science, anthropology,
sociology, education, and human biology
- high personal dedication to the purposes of The Logical Language Group as specified in the bylaws
At the
2011 annual meeting,
lojbab proposed the following criteria by which prospective members may be deemed eligible to join the organization as voting members:
- Working on a project for an extended period of time, especially one requiring coordination with other lojbanists
-
Assumption of responsibility for non-language chores, such as web site maintenance
- Activity promoting lojban or recruiting lojbanists, such as presenting or teaching the language
- Being familiar with the bylaws, and taking the initiative to ask for membership at a meeting
- Participating in a meeting as a non-voting member
The proposal and approval of new members is one of the items of regular business at each
annual meeting.
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