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Re: [lojban] Why left-grouping of tanru?




2014-09-04 22:02 GMT+04:00 TR NS <transfire@gmail.com>:


On Thursday, September 4, 2014 11:46:23 AM UTC-4, la gleki wrote:


2014-09-04 18:58 GMT+04:00 TR NS <tran...@gmail.com>:

Was wondering why "left-grouping rule" was chosen as the default for tanru? 

I ran though random examples of using two adjectives in my head and they are almost always right-grouping. "big red truck", "bright yellow star", "little lost ant"
this is left grouping with both seltau made equal:
lo barda je cunre karce
lo carmi je plexu tarci
lo cmalu je farcri manti


Cool. Thanks for the translations.

That helps clarify my point though too. Seems like the typical case will always require an extra grouping cmavo, e.g. `je` or `bo` in order to be technically correct. If the default were right-grouping these wouldn't be needed. I have a feeling that a lot of time this gets overlooked and the `je` or `bo`, or what have you, gets left out even though the meaning isn't really right. But most of time it won't get noticed, because, for instance if I said to you "lo barda cunre karce" you are probably just going to assume I meant "lo barda je cunre karce" or "lo barda cunre bo karce" without even giving it any thought.

xunre, not cunre, sorry for the previous mistype.

Did you see the phrase {lo melbi cmalu nixli ckule}?
It means in a "pretty way small girls' school". This is a clear case of string modifiers one after another.

In right grouping it'd be the same. Lojban uses {co} to change the direction:

{lo ckule co nixli co cmalu co melbi}

For previous examples:

{lo karce co barda je xunre}.


As you can see you still cannot delete {je}.
One might imagine a language where {je} would be omitted, however, I wonder why {je}, not {jo'u} or {joi} would be chosen for that.

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