Re: [lojban] unquantified sumti with restrictive relative clauses in xorlo

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 7:22 AM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:

la'o me. Martin Bays .me cusku

(iii) Have it pick out some referents such that they satisfy the restrictives:
     ko'a poi broda -> zo'e noi me ko'a gi'e broda

This is pretty much my take on it.

Me too. Others have argued though that the poi-clause is (at least sometimes) not a restriction on the pre-established referents of ko'a, but rather a way to identify what the referents of ko'a are:  https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/lojban/UUzglNqQg70

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(1) {ti poi toldi}: At least in the way my mind works, when I point at something, I point at a specific thing; I just need to give a clue to the listener about what I am exactly pointing at. It is not like I am pointing at a bunch of things and selecting a butterfly out of them.

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To me "ti poi toldi" for "this butterfly/these butterflies" always sounded off, because it starts with these things and then restricts them to those that are butterflies, instead of starting with butterflies and then restricting them to those that are near-by. That's why "lo vi toldi" makes more sense to me.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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