Re: [lojban] the future of Lojban's leadership

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:

 I am pretty sure that I would misuse xorlo, if only because I don't know when NOT to use "lo".

It's very easy: always use "lo", you never have to use any other gadri. 

I believe And may be thinking of something like "mi nelci le nu limna"
for "I like swimming". The problem with "le" here is that when you say
"I like swimming" you don't have a particular event of swimming in mind,
so why would you use "le"?

le is not necessarily singular (or plural), but I certainly have some concept of what events of swimming (that I am fond of) are, and I am, referring to one or more of such events.

With CLL-le you were saying that you like each one of them, right. but the point is that that's not what "I like swimming" means.

Perhaps it's even more clear in the negative: compare  "mi na nelci le nu limna" vs "I don't like swimming".  

 "le nu limna" is supposed to be a particular

event of swimming that the speaker has in mind.

(Nowadays many people would probably rather say "mi nelci lo ka limna",
but the change from "nu" to "ka" is not from xorlo.)

But of course I don't know that my concept of swimming and/or its properties is the same as yours.  Since I still associate "lo" with veridicality, and there are likely some events of swimming that I would not nelci, I would have trouble saying "lo".

You can use "le" if you think that's important. xorlo didn't touch veridicality, it just dropped the hidden quantifiers.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

 

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