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Re: [lojban] Digest for lojban@googlegroups.com - 13 updates in 3 topics





2014-09-11 16:06 GMT+04:00 Karen Stein <comcaresvcs@gmail.com>:
In sorry, but I can't get my new email program to reply specifying a topic...

I can see that you are getting digests from google groups. This means it's better to reply via web interface:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/lojban


State of the language...

I can certainly state that people drop out of lojban learning and even following because the language isn't stable enough. The entire local group quit.

Which local group are you talking about?
 
It will never be perfect because no language is, and I believe it still needs the starting point specified from which changes can evolve slowly.

I'm the only one from this group who's even following it now, and the arguments about the same exact issue of if lojban needs a baseline is getting very old. I also know people who still feel there is too much flux to learn lojban. Adding gismu, as I've seen discussed, is not minor. Everything can be expressed as is (fu'ivla, etc) and over decades and longer of usage these may shorten to gismu, but the changes don't have to happen immediately. Change that is too quick makes the language harder to learn and the speaker base grow more slowly. This is what a baseline was supposed to prevent.

There is a difference between A. adding new words and B. breaking past usage.
There is a difference between
1. an explanatory material published in one place covering the whole language 
2. and a bunch of changes split here and there (including oral explanations) that nobody can follow.


I'm also seeing proposals based on how a single language expresses something which is counter to lojban, in my opinion. This is still malglico, or mal-whatever.

Finally, remember that even this language has speakers, learners, and potential learners who aren't online, who can't participate in the discussions of "improvements"

Yes, this is one of the major reasons language should evolve only via a limited number of official documents like we had CLL (Complete Lojban Language) book.

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