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Re: [lojban] Re: tersmu 0.2





On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Martin Bays <mbays@sdf.org> wrote:

In particular, passing this lojbanic form back through tersmu would
yield something involving {srana} whose equivalence to the original form
involving f(x) is far from immediate. Worse, there wouldn't even be
a fixed point for the lojban form - since {pe} without a quantifier is
taken as effectively introducing a {noi} clause, {ro da zo'u fy pe da
broda da} would become {ro da zo'u ge fyno pe da ge'u srana da gi fyno
pe da ge'u me fy me'u .i ro da zo'u fyno pe da ge'u broda da}, which on
another pass through would blow up those {pe} clauses even further...

Yes, I see what you mean. I take it then that the parser doesn't touch li-expressions, or at least some of them?
  
Hmm. I've been adopting {lo broda} == {zo'e noi broda} as absolute
dogma, so it's really making a side-claim that the referent(s) broda(s).
You think a more accurate dogma would be
{lo broda} == {zo'e noi ca'e broda}?

No, I was thinking of "ca'e" as defining the new auxiliary variables introduced by the parsing. But I do think that noi-clauses in general, and the noi-clause used in the espansion of "lo" in particular, have an illocutionary force different from assertions. I'm now thinking "zo'e noi sa'a broda" could be it.

mu'o mi'e xorxes  

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