On 29 Sep 2014 04:17, "la durka" <durka42@gmail.com> wrote:
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> The reason for making it that way (the term "scope leaper" has been used) was precisely to provide a way to escape the normal left-to-right scoping rule, to make certain things easier to express without rearranging the entire sentence structure. A similar proposed bridi modifier (xoi as currently defined in jbovlaste) is right-scoping like tags.
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> la selpa'i has some discussion in the second half of this post.
Ah, I see. Surely the basic form should be xoi, in selmaho XOI. If scope-leaping is desired -- and it should be admissible only if the scope-leaping rules are robustly defined, which is a tall order -- then surely it should provide variants of all scope-sensitive constituents, without arbitrarily privileging bridi relatives.
(Whether xoi must be in XOI rather than SEI is unclear, partly because the right criteria for selmahofellowhood are unclear (if selmaho means actual grammatical word-class rather than the sense it has in Lojban's current pseudogrammar).)
--And.
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> mu'o mi'e la durka
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> El domingo, 28 de septiembre de 2014 20:37:55 UTC-4, And Rosta escribió:
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>> I've just noticed that new soi "always takes top scope". Why is that? Not knowing the discussion that led to that choice, I incline to the view that in a reformed Lojban there would be a new syntax that syntacticizes the left-to-right scope rule (so that clause structure is binary branching, as in Xorban), in which case you'd expect soi to scope over what it precedes. Most if not all tags (e.g. tense) could be seen as abbreviations of soi phrases, and hence you'd expect soi phrases to have the scopal properties of tags.
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>> --And.
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