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Re: [lojban] Tenseless predicates mean -able?





2014-09-26 16:56 GMT+04:00 TR NS <transfire@gmail.com>:
I just read section 3.8 of Loglan 1. In it JCB talks about how the tenseless predictions entail the concept of *can*. For example, he gives the word {ditca} as meaning "X teaches Y to W". Then he gives the example:

    Da fu ditca

Where "fu" converts the 1st and 3rd places. Translated into Lojban (which has as different order) I think it is:

    da se ctuca

JCB says it means "X is teachable" and goes on to reinforce the concept that, lacking a tense operator, the predicate entails the meaning of *can*. Quote, "For in Loglan the fundemental thing about an object is not whether it *has* been eaten or taught, but whether it is the kind of thing that *can* be eaten or taught." I see no mention of this idea in Lojban's grammar, and in Lojban I would translate it as "X is a student". Those translations are similar but certainly not the same thing.

Did I miss something? Which is correct?

You should ask on loglanists mailing list about that. But in Lojban it is just vague.

To explicitly express "-able" use {ka'e} adverb.
i la alis ka'e se ctuca = Alice is possible to be taught.
i la alis ka'e ba mo'u cilre = It is possible that Alice will learn [something].
i la alis cu tadni = Alice is/was/will be a student.

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