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Re: [lojban] Re: Question about Lojbanized Name in Unix/Linux
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014, Jorge Llambías wrote:
The camxes morphology is not official (yet) and there is no official rule
for syllabation. English tends to prefer closed syllables, so it may well
be that English speakers will tend to say al,eks,and,r instead of
a,lek,san,dr but it doesn't really matter much, since the difference (which
I can hardly hear anyway) doesn't affect the meaning in Lojban.
I see. ki'e that clears things up.
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014, Jorge Llambías wrote:
I've been asked this before. You can't really take the word "mu'o" as the
end of the message because "mu'o" is in selma'o COI, which means it's the
head of a clause like "mu'o [name] [do'u]". If you start talking before the
other speaker ends the clause you would be interrupting anyway. A string of
COIs can also head a vocative clause. It's the whole clause "mu'o mi'e
xorxes [do'u]" that indicates, among other things, that the message is
over. Those who think that "mu'o" by itself indicates the end of a message
are thinking of it as if it was in selma'o UI, but it's actually in selma'o
COI, so you have to wait for the end of the clause for the message to be
completed. (And the end-of-clause word, "do'u", is almost always elided, so
you shouldn't be waiting too long before assuming it won't come either.)
Interesting. Not sure if I like that as much when used without "do'u" as I
did when I thought it worked by itself, since when used without "do'u" it
relies on a time out rather than an explicit end (.uinairu'e), but that's
still no worse than typical communication, and from a design perspective I
like the 'optional' nature of being able to explicitly follow the
statement up with a "do'u" when I want the efficiency of not forcing the
other end to time out, or elide it when it's no big deal to do so
(.uisai).
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014, Jorge Llambías wrote:
That's not exactly right though. Consonantal syllables like "dr" (and also
syllables with "y" as the nucleus) don't count for the penultimate stress
rule, so the default stress is unfortunately a,lék,san,dr. If you were to
change it to "aleksander" it would get the desired default stress. You
could use "aleksander kojevnkov" to get default stress for both cmevla. In
any case, stress is free in cmevla, so people could still place it in the
"wrong" place and be saying the same name.
.u'u ki'e I should've remembered that (I haven't reviewed these rules in a
while). Maybe that's why I initially capitalized the "san" part, and I was
just pulling a constructed memory out of my rectal regions when the real
memory of the real reason(s) wasn't readily available. I think I'll stick
with preserving the letters/phonemes of my name more at a higher priority
than preserving the stress, at this point. You examples are illustrative
and appreciated, but are less aesthetically pleasing to me as far as
catching my name in lojban, especially since anyone can (un)stress and
break syllables rather freely and it's still valid anyway.
mu'o mi'e .aleksandr.kojevnikov. do'u
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