Re: [lojban] Re: tersmu 0.2

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:17 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 6:46 PM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:

I.e. we cannot easily say "three students are surrounding the building" without bringing in a dummy {lo} that only serves to give us a plural via inner quantifiers (even though there is no referent we wish to refer to).

It's not *that* bad:

{.i su'o da ci de poi tadni zo'u da gunma de gi'e sruri lo dinju}

Or more concisely: "su'o gunma be ci tadni cu sruri lo dinju", "a group of three students surrounds the building".

But that's cheating a bit, since we are singularizing rather than using plural quantification. Maybe plural quantifier "su'oi ci" could be defined as:

 su'oi ci broda cu brode := su'oi da poi broda zo'u ci de poi broda gi'e me da zo'u da brode   

Then we can say "su'oi ci tadni cu sruri lo dinju".

"There exists an X and three students Y such that X has Y as mass elements and X surrounds the building." I am not sure whether one must explicitly state {da ci mei} in this situation, but of course we can do that if needed.

I would say "lo gunma poi sruri lo dinju cu pa mei .i lo se gunma poi sruri lo dinju cu ci mei"

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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