I can't use cmene because I don't have a list of Lojbanized names of countries.Do you have one? If yes I'll use it.Or you are telling me to find native names for more than 200 countries and then Lojbanize it myself?--2015-04-15 18:14 GMT+03:00 Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>:Use cmene.--On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:2015-04-15 17:49 GMT+03:00 Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>:No, I do not. Nor will I waste my time making one. If you'll recall, the reason this list was created was because the cultural gismu were thought to break Lojban's neutrality, because not all countries had one.At that time, I argued that making cultural valsi for all the countries was a fool's errand, and that a better solution would be to divorce the countries from the culture. I.e., nothing is better than all is this particular all-or-nothing situation. I then made six lujvo, one for each category used in the cultural gismu, which, unlike this list or any other like it, is immune from drift, and also has the added benefit of being more exact than the cultural gismu.For example, what do I mean when I say {ko'a muslo}? Any number of things. It's a very broad word. Too broad, in my opinion.But if I were to say {ko'a tutra'a la.isra'el.}, you'd know exactly what I meant, as long as you know that tutra'a ~= "is the country of".As a reminder:The ISO fu'ivla for countries are simply an attempt to have a cultural valsi of some type for all the countries. The same was done for languages too, again using ISO codes. I was actually mildly surprised when no one announced they had done the same for religion et al., but I'm guessing it's because those don't have ISO codes. Regardless, it means that someone went to a lot of trouble making hundreds of words that very few people will use and even fewer will recognize without looking up.Disagree with me if you like, doesn't bother me, but I think having six easy to remember words that just need a cmene in the x2 is a much better idea than hundreds of words that are only recognizable to people with esoteric knowledge- ISO codes- that the vast majority of people will never have a reason to know.Today I needed names of all countries when translating Tatoeba.org interface. If you can't provide me with better ones I will continue using existing ones.Tatoeba.org production branch will be updated in a week.I need words.Don't criticize, provide options!I also think they're ugly words as a whole and are far too similar to each other, but those are opinions even more subjective than my above statements.--On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 7:27 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:2015-04-15 16:24 GMT+03:00 Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>:I've never liked the ISO valsi. As far as I'm concerned, this is just one more reason not to use them.Do you have an alternative list of all countries?--On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 6:46 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:--Compared to the original xorxe's list around 15 countries don't have ISO now.E.g. St. Barthélemy was about to get .bl code however it didn't.Countrees disappear, ISO codes get reassigned. So ISO-fuhivla are drifting apart from Lojban system.I propose{gugdebulu} for St. Barthélemy{gugdebuke} for Caribbean Netherlands{gugdecupu} for Clipperton Island{gugdecuve} Curaçao{gugdedugu} Diego Garcia{gugde'e'a} Ceuta & Melilla{gugde'e'u} European Union{gugde'icu} Canary Islands{gugdetu'a} Tristan da Cunha{gugdeke'o} Outlying Oceania{gugdesusu} South Sudan{gugdesuxe} Sint Maarten{gugde'umu} U.S. Outlying Islands{gugdevu'a} Vatican City{gugdexuku} Kosovo{gugdesuxe} St. HelenaThe situation is somewhat described here:
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
--mu'o mi'e .aionys.
.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
--mu'o mi'e .aionys.
.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
--mu'o mi'e .aionys.
.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.