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Re: [lojban] Re: It's been a long time.

There are different translations of the Bible and sometimes different understanding leads to different movements within Christianity. The prayer should reflect the original meaning and don't raise such doubts. Although, I agree that when saying {ko'a patfu ko'a} I was half-joking.
I wasn't with {mi} vs. {mi'a/ma'a}.

2015-05-08 19:31 GMT+03:00 Jonathan Soo <spheniscine@gmail.com>:
"I'm not a Christian, but is that even a *possible* interpretation?"

No it isn't... though Christians believe in the Father, Son, Spirit, the prayer is clearly addressed to the Father, and they certainly won't address God as somehow being his own Father.

source: Yeah I'm one

On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 11:00 PM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


2015-05-08 17:31 GMT+03:00 v4hn <me@v4hn.de>:
On Fri, May 08, 2015 at 04:53:42PM +0300, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
> 2015-05-08 15:53 GMT+03:00 Spheniscine <spheniscine@gmail.com>:
> > Actually Pater Noster is clearly {mi'a}, since the "our" clearly doesn't
> > include the addressee (God/the Father).
>
> Who knows, maybe Father is the father of himself.

I'm not a Christian, but is that even a *possible* interpretation?
It sounds ridiculous to me.

Sorry, I'm not an expert. Some say other religions are ridiculous. Translation can be very important. You wouldn't complaint that 3=1, would you? Is that more ridiculous?

> Also {ma'a} is possible like e.g. Father not only of Christians but even
> those who don't believe in Him.
> [...]
> {mi'a} would mean here something completely different and for some it may
> sound egoistic.

Sorry, you lost me. Why wouldn't {mi'a} include others?
The addressee is clearly the Father, not heathens.
Both {mi'a} and {ma'a} include "& others unspecified" in their definition.


Oops, indeed, my mistake. It should be {mi} (which is also "we") vs. {mi'a}.
 


v4hn

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