I always took it as not mi'a but mi - which in Lojban has a referent that is the speaker, but if you're speaking on behalf of a group means that group (but not also others), just as a group can be do if that's who you're addressing. Now, it's unclear how big a group you're speaking for in that prayer (I interpret it as roda), but those "we"s and "us"es never contrast with a smaller "me."
"I'm not a Christian, but is that even a *possible* interpretation?"
No it isn't... though Christians believe in the Father, Son, Spirit, the prayer is clearly addressed to the Father, and they certainly won't address God as somehow being his own Father.source: Yeah I'm oneOn Fri, May 8, 2015 at 11:00 PM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:2015-05-08 17:31 GMT+03:00 v4hn <me@v4hn.de>:On Fri, May 08, 2015 at 04:53:42PM +0300, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
> 2015-05-08 15:53 GMT+03:00 Spheniscine <spheniscine@gmail.com>:
> > Actually Pater Noster is clearly {mi'a}, since the "our" clearly doesn't
> > include the addressee (God/the Father).
>
> Who knows, maybe Father is the father of himself.
I'm not a Christian, but is that even a *possible* interpretation?
It sounds ridiculous to me.Sorry, I'm not an expert. Some say other religions are ridiculous. Translation can be very important. You wouldn't complaint that 3=1, would you? Is that more ridiculous?
> Also {ma'a} is possible like e.g. Father not only of Christians but even
> those who don't believe in Him.
> [...]
> {mi'a} would mean here something completely different and for some it may
> sound egoistic.
Sorry, you lost me. Why wouldn't {mi'a} include others?
The addressee is clearly the Father, not heathens.
Both {mi'a} and {ma'a} include "& others unspecified" in their definition.Oops, indeed, my mistake. It should be {mi} (which is also "we") vs. {mi'a}.
v4hn
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