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Re: [lojban] Re: Possible polysemy clashes for "regular affixes" in lujvo?





2015-05-14 14:21 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>:
On Wednesday, May 13, 2015 19:15:19 Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
> In both examples case changes only for the first two places. "from" and
> "to" prepositions stay the same.
> However, for -gau and -bi'o lujvo one has to mentally shift the place
> structure. So instead of {mi djuno fi do} you get {ra jungau mi fo do}.
> This may be harder to use since you have to learn two place structure
> whereas in major world languages almost one.

Lojban doesn't have accusative or ergative morphosyntactic alignment.

It has a preposition that parallels ergative a lot.
 
It has
an indefinitely long series of numbered places.

We are talking about combining tags with FA, not about FA alone.

English has four numbered
places (the fourth is quite rarely used) and can move 2 to 1 or 3 to 1 (moving
1 to a place tagged by "by"), but doesn't shift them the way Lojban does.

Children have no problem learning ergative languages. I see no reason why
children can't learn place-shift languages. It's adults that have problems
learning a different kind of language than they're used to.

As I explained above the problem is not in place shift structure but in the number of place structures to learn.
English reuses the same place structure when converting verbs to transitive like in the example of "to move".
Lojban also reuses the place structure in {jai gau} mode.

Being able to remember infinite number of lujvo with arbitrary place structures (lujvo mode) has to be tested. Although I won't.


Pierre
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