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Re: [lojban] Re: Proposal for new cmavo: {vau'u}





2015-05-11 10:54 GMT+03:00 Spheniscine (la zipcpi) <spheniscine@gmail.com>:
I'm actually kinda wondering if we would be willing to use our last monosyllabic cmavo, {xau}, for this.

Before that it was proposed for:
* a synonym of a useful preposition {seva'u} otherwise known as a "beneficiary case tag"
* a generalized question word creating a question out of lo sumti, lo sumka'i and lo cnima'o e.g.

{zo'e xau} = {ma}
{co'e xau} = {mo}

I actually turn out to use it quite often for afterthought attitudinal, due to its relative freedom of context. No need to worry about whether {vau} is sufficient or even possible {xau a'inai}. That extra syllable might make the difference for how well it is accepted among beginners, who often mistakenly attach attitudinals to the last word of a sentence.

While we're at it I've had a look at the other xVV cmavo. {xai} seems fine and usable.

Where is {xai} used? I can't remember any live usage except a bunch of sentences in Tatoeba.
 
{xei} doesn't see much use, but {rei} really needs a replacement, and making it multisyllabic would break the pattern.

But {zo xoi ki'a sai}? Can't make sense of the definition, and I can't see how it is useful.

This {xoi} is similar to {sei} but converts clauses (lo bridi) not to attitudinals/text comments but to adverbs/prepositions like {fi'o} does but with a different grammar.



On Sunday, May 10, 2015 at 4:04:48 PM UTC+8, Spheniscine (la zipcpi) wrote:
I think it might be useful to have a new cmavo, {vau'u}, which is in its own selma'o. It would act as a "super famyma'o / super vau"; acting as any number of {vau}s needed to close off a sentence.

Why? Attitudinals, mostly; it'd allow adding attitudinals as an afterthought, attaching it to the entire sentence rather than the last thing in it. {vau} is sufficient for simple sentences (e.g. {do sidju mi vau ui}), but more complex sentences with subclauses at the end may require several {vau}, which just feels wrong. For example

Instead of: {do sidju mi lo nu mi zenba lo ni ricfu vau vau vau ui} 
You can have: {do sidju mi lo nu mi zenba lo ni ricfu vau'u ui}

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