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Re: [lojban] Re: Proposal: loi lerfu tcita detri; the final word on the problem of dates and times?




Le lundi 1 juin 2015 06:54:48 UTC, la gleki a écrit :


2015-05-31 15:32 GMT+03:00 Jorge Llambías <jjlla...@gmail.com>:


On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 9:22 AM, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
Disadvantages:
a. Like it's {pi'e} equivalent it's not a predicate language. An expansion of these rules into predicates is needed for linguistic purposes no matter how verbose the expansion will be (i.e. its value for everyday usage is irrelevant). {citsi} also has to be explained in this expansion since it is one of the few "splicing time interval" brivla. relations like {ca}/date, {ze'a}/period are to be explained.
b. Those are new rules injected into the language. Multiplying entities is usually not good. Although they actually make {pi'e} solution not needed so in total the required part of the language becomes less heavy.
c. timezone can't be easily specified inside {de'i} using names of countries.

d. It will break down if (and hopefully when) digit strings become disentangled from letter strings.

e. To say "Monday" one will have to resort to {se detri be li jydy pa}, not a very short _expression_, same for months. So to imitate major languages the 7+12 extra words (pavdei, pavmasti etc. or equivalents) might still be needed.


 The current topic is related to usage of BAI, and not related to brivla for names of [months/days of a week]. The item e. therefore should not to be counted. On the otherhand, the item d. is much important for me to disagree the proposal.


Le lundi 1 juin 2015 07:04:56 UTC, Spheniscine (la zipcpi) a écrit :
e. To say "Monday" one will have to resort to {se detri be li jydy pa}, not a very short _expression_, same for months. So to imitate major languages the 7+12 extra words (pavdei, pavmasti etc. or equivalents) might still be needed.

Yeah I can see that. {ca de'i li jydy xo} is still probably the best way to ask "What day of the week is it" though; I mean, {lo cabdei cu mo} is rather ambiguous :p

Currently, {de'i'u xo} is the shortest and unambiguous. For brivla form, {ma jefydeidetri lo nu broda} is unambiguous.

For a point on time axis in merging {de'i} and {ti'u}, {te'i} can be applied: 
mi ciska te'i li 2015-06-01 07:27 noi sinxa lo mentu ku'o tete'i U'yTyCy
.i
mi ciska te'i li 2457174.810416667 tete'i la juli'us

mu'o

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