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Re: [lojban] Re: Proposal: loi lerfu tcita detri; the final word on the problem of dates and times?





2015-06-01 10:27 GMT+03:00 guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com>:

Le lundi 1 juin 2015 06:54:48 UTC, la gleki a écrit :


2015-05-31 15:32 GMT+03:00 Jorge Llambías <jjlla...@gmail.com>:


On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 9:22 AM, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
Disadvantages:
a. Like it's {pi'e} equivalent it's not a predicate language. An expansion of these rules into predicates is needed for linguistic purposes no matter how verbose the expansion will be (i.e. its value for everyday usage is irrelevant). {citsi} also has to be explained in this expansion since it is one of the few "splicing time interval" brivla. relations like {ca}/date, {ze'a}/period are to be explained.
b. Those are new rules injected into the language. Multiplying entities is usually not good. Although they actually make {pi'e} solution not needed so in total the required part of the language becomes less heavy.
c. timezone can't be easily specified inside {de'i} using names of countries.

d. It will break down if (and hopefully when) digit strings become disentangled from letter strings.

e. To say "Monday" one will have to resort to {se detri be li jydy pa}, not a very short _expression_, same for months. So to imitate major languages the 7+12 extra words (pavdei, pavmasti etc. or equivalents) might still be needed.


 The current topic is related to usage of BAI, and not related to brivla for names of [months/days of a week]. The item e. therefore should not to be counted. On the otherhand, the item d. is much important for me to disagree the proposal.


Le lundi 1 juin 2015 07:04:56 UTC, Spheniscine (la zipcpi) a écrit :
e. To say "Monday" one will have to resort to {se detri be li jydy pa}, not a very short _expression_, same for months. So to imitate major languages the 7+12 extra words (pavdei, pavmasti etc. or equivalents) might still be needed.

Yeah I can see that. {ca de'i li jydy xo} is still probably the best way to ask "What day of the week is it" though; I mean, {lo cabdei cu mo} is rather ambiguous :p

Currently, {de'i'u xo} is the shortest and unambiguous.

Well, conciseness is to be counted by assessing multiple test sentences in total. E.g. what is the shortest "In Monday, Jan. 1" in the two (three counting xorxe's proposal) systems etc.


For brivla form, {ma jefydeidetri lo nu broda} is unambiguous.

For a point on time axis in merging {de'i} and {ti'u}, {te'i} can be applied: 
mi ciska te'i li 2015-06-01 07:27 noi sinxa lo mentu ku'o tete'i U'yTyCy
.i
mi ciska te'i li 2457174.810416667 tete'i la juli'us

mu'o

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